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Season 3 of Cobra Kai turned up the heat on the rivalry front, but the dojos’ greatest challenge is yet to come.
After some soul-searching took Daniel to Japan and Johnny to… well, a bar stool, a visit from an old friend helped the two at-odds senseis bury the hatchet. Following another knockabout showdown with Cobra Kai, Johnny’s new Eagle Fang dojo and Daniel’s Miyagi-Do group finally united against John Kreese’s violent gang of ruffians and “no mercy” teachings. As a bloody exchange of fists between the students razed the LaRusso home, Kreese, Johnny and Daniel agreed to settle things the old fashioned way: with a karate tournament, of course!
Here, executive producers and co-showrunners Josh Heald, Jon Hurwitz and Hayden Schlossberg break down the season, including Daniel and Johnny’s new partnership, Kreese’s traumatic backstory, the show’s portrayal of bullying and whether Season 4 will be the final battle for the soul of the Valley.
TVLINE | Did you always plan for the third season to end with Johnny and Daniel’s union? And why is this point in the story the right time for them to squash their beef? I can’t imagine it’ll be completely smooth sailing for them.
HEALD | Giving them this moment was something we’ve always known was coming. We always felt like this was the time for it to happen, but we are doing it in a way where we’ve also established who these characters are. They’re both very strong minded in their own philosophies, ideals and pasts. There does appear to be a very distinct battle ahead, a very clear boundary and set of circumstances that have brought them to this moment, but time will tell if history repeats itself and they fall back into old habits again, or if they’re going to be able to weather the storm and lean into each other to do the hard work of what it is to form a partnership.
TVLINE | The end of the Kreese flashback gave us some much needed background on Cobra Kai‘s biggest bad guy. Why does he still have such a stake in the dojo, even after all these years?
HURWITZ | Cobra Kai is in his blood. He founded Cobra Kai. It was important for us to take this character you’ve known all these years — who is just simply bad… he’s Darth Vader, he’s evil — and understand where a guy like that comes from. A guy who routinely talks about “no mercy.” Why is that so important to him? We meet him in Season 3 before Vietnam and see that he was an underdog in his own right, perhaps with a more tragic life than, say, Daniel or Miguel had. Dealing with the situations he dealt with over there, and having that experience of showing mercy and seeing that the world doesn’t necessarily reward good behavior… it had a profound impact on him. It was a traumatizing experience that he carries with him to this day.
We’ve always asked, “Why would John Kreese start a karate dojo?” From the beginning it was because he believes he has something to offer young people, life lessons he thinks are important for these kids to know, to defend themselves in life. In his mind, he’s teaching people what’s necessary to get through life. Seeing that Cobra Kai was back brought that spirit back in him. He had given up on life in a lot of ways. Then, having a front row seat seeing Johnny changing some of the core elements that he thinks are important to Cobra Kai was too much to take. He’s as determined as he was when he started the dojo many years ago to educate the youth of the Valley to be prepared for the world they’re going to have to deal with.
TVLINE | At the end of the finale, Kreese reached out to his old army buddy Terry for help. Has that role been cast yet and, if so, who will be playing him?
HURWITZ | Just because Kreese reached out to somebody, doesn’t necessarily mean that he’s returning to the show. That said, on our show, we try to bring back the original actor who played characters in the past as much as possible. We all loved the character of Terry Silver in The Karate Kid 3 and his portrayal by Thomas Ian Griffith, so if that character was to return for Season 4, we’d hope that he’d be the one playing him.
SCHLOSSBERG | There’s no confirmation, anything can happen, really. But I will say: If you do love Terry Silver, this is probably the best show to tune into to see if he does show up. [Laughs] But we can’t promise anything at this point because it’s all a mystery.
TVLINE | Why was Daniel’s trip back to Okinawa important for his storyline, and how did it help prepare him for the drama that unfolded at the end?
SCHLOSSBERG | The legacy of Mr. Miyagi is a big part of his psyche, and to see the Miyagi name tarnished as a result of what happened at the school… he bears that responsibility. He’s just an emotional wreck more than ever and needed Mr. Miyagi’s help. There are different ways to connect to the past. There’s prayer, there’s going to a cemetery, and for some people, it’s taking a trip to connect with their roots. Mr. Miyagi’s homeland of Okinawa is the birthplace of Miyagi-Do karate to Daniel, so it really provided the emotional and psychological answers to his questions.
By connecting with some of those characters from Karate Kid Part II, particularly Kumiko, she’s able to give him insight into Mr. Miyagi’s mind. Sometimes when you get older and you go through your parents’ belongings if they’ve passed away, you’ll see something of theirs and realize something about them that you didn’t think of as a kid. We always liked this idea that Daniel looked at Mr. Miyagi as this wise all-knowing force that had all the answers to everything, and when Kumiko reads the letter to him, he realizes Mr. Miyagi didn’t have all the answers, and that Daniel was actually the thing that solved his life. He realizes it’s OK to not have all the answers to everything. Mr. Miyagi didn’t.
TVLINE| Were there any discussions behind the scenes about how far you wanted to take the bullying aspects on the show?
SCHLOSSBERG | We want the show to work in the same way The Karate Kid worked, both in a classic bullying sense, but also in a modern way. From the very beginning in Season 1, we incorporated aspects of cyber bullying, whether it’s body shaming or slut shaming, things that are maybe more contemporary topics even though they’ve been going on for years. We want it to be relevant and universal, that really creates the frustration in the audience of like, “God, I feel bad for these kids. I want them to overcome.” That’s the magic of The Karate Kid. It’s this underdog story.
The themes of bullying were tied into this story when we first pitched Cobra Kai to Ralph Macchio. It’s not just to bring back all of the characters that we like and find a fun Kreese backstory; it’s because this subject matter is as relevant as it’s ever been. This story and franchise are very cathartic to people who are going through that. You don’t want to disturb people too much where they can’t keep watching the show, but life can be disturbing sometimes. It’s not just the physical abuse, it’s the mental abuse. Kids can become suicidal because of these things. We don’t want to be too afraid to touch upon subjects, but we try to be careful. Typically five minutes later, there’s some comedy, too. We go back and forth between having fun, but also touching on the serious themes of bullying.
TVLINE | In terms of Johnny calling his students “pansies” or the “penis breath” cracks, did you ever have any plans of adding an LGBTQ character to illuminate the damage that sort of language could cause?
HURWITZ | We talk about all kinds of characters to add to the world and think about how they would respond or react to the mentality that Johnny has — sort of this unfrozen caveman, ’80s guy — and to contrast his verbiage with how today’s youth responds to it and the impact it can have. So, absolutely we’ve talked about adding characters from that community, and frankly, all different types of teenagers that aren’t necessarily represented.
SCHLOSSBERG | Miguel, in some ways, even though he’s not a gay character, represents the modern take and counterpoint. Sometimes Johnny doesn’t let him speak, which is part of the problem. In the very first lesson, Miguel calls him out for saying, “You don’t want to be a p-ssy, you gotta have balls.” Right away Miguel’s like, “Uh, I think you’re gender stereotyping here?” and Johnny’s like, “Quiet!” Our hope is that the audience can tell from the students’ perspective that we’re aware that Johnny is behind the times. It hasn’t come to that place where [the bullying] has affected anybody in particular, but that’s something that’s always a possibility to explore further as seasons go on and we get to know more students.
TVLINE | The show is already renewed for Season 4, but have you thought about where the series might go beyond that?
HEALD | We have an endgame in our heads. We’ve had one for quite some time, and it’s not in Season 4. It’s well beyond that. In our minds, we have seasons’ worth of story that is necessary to tell before we get to that endgame. That will be a discussion going forward with our new partners at Netflix. Can we write to that endgame? Can we know that it’s coming? That’s not always the case with television and we respect that. For now, we’re continuing to write at the same speed and with the same path that we set out with from the beginning.
Now it’s your turn! Grade the finale and season below, then drop all your Season 3 thoughts in the Comments!
SCREW common scene or realism; this show… this is everything. The only thing I hated was humanizing Kreese, to be honest I don’t care about his trauma; that old dude is bad to the bone. I more appreciated his cunning manipulation of everyone. I know with the set up, good chance season 4 will be last, I just hope they figure out a way to at the very least Supersize the season….Cobra Kai has no business being as good as it is but I’m very thankful it is this great
I respect your view on Kreese’s background and keeping it a mystery might depict him as a villain even more, but there is a reason bullies bully others. I was always curious how his “No Mercy” philosophy developed? The Vietnam War was brutal, for soldiers who fought in the war, and when they returned to the US. The American public did not welcome them back with a warm tribute or “thank you.” The show finally gives us an idea of how Kreese had to fight for his life. The audience gets an idea of the hell he encounteted as a teen and young adult. It just becomes to extreme in his teachings. These are high school kids, not young adults.
I’m not sure they humanized him as much as they thought they did. He gets insulted and he replies by beating the crap out of those guys. That’s not normal behavior. Most people don’t try to send someone to the hospital for being mean. That’s not being an underdog; that’s being mentally unstable.
I didn’t even understand that they were trying to humanize him until this interview. I honestly thought they were showing that he was always crazy and Nam made it worse.
I was so mad at the end of season 2. And how treated Miguel, the kid we used to love… But here we are again, all the main kids are now in the good team.
Never care about Robby. He and Tory can marry and have little kids… they are perfect for each other… I have to say Robbie is much better villain than Miguel.
Kuddos to the actor who played “Hawk”. He was so great showing his struggles… his doubts, his jealousy…
Can we get more on bad-ass Amanda. And i miss Abuelita.
Great season.
Ed Asner, Tamlin Tamita and Elizabeth Sue for Emmy. It wont happen… only Asner maybe
I can understand now, narratively, why it made sense for Yasmine to come back rather than Aisha be there just for the sake of her being there.
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We actually got to see the mean girl learn from her past mistakes and grow from them, and we also saw Hawk realise the path he was headed down as well.
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If S4 is to be the end (I hope not, and obviously so do the EPs, but Netflix don’t often go beyond 4) then extending the episode length to 40-45mins would be a good thing to allow a bit more development on some of the subplots.
I love this show
My husband said season 3 would be out around 2am.. We stayed awake as long as we could.. Woke up @ 6am and watched it all the way through..We loved it! Looking forward to season 4.. Hopefully we don’t have to wait 2 yrs to see it..
As a huge fan of the “Karate Kid” movies, Part II being my favorite. I really enjoyed season 3, and I can’t wait for season 4. I hope Daniel and Johnny can continue the partnership, cause I liked there little bonding moment to “Take It on the Run” in season 1. And I agree that Robbie and Tori deserve each other. Cause I had a feeling, in season 2, that Robbie was gonna turn bad. I also like the returning characters, so I wonder if they’ll bring back Daniel’s old friend Freddie.
Not sure where they would or could go after season 4 without falling into the trap of rehashing what’s already been done but with different people. Once Kreese (and apparently Silver) is inevitably conquered, that should be the end.
I wish the seasons were more than 10 episodes. Not 22, but there are so many characters we didn’t get to spend enough time with.
Am I really the only one who can’t understand why the police are not called after a group of kids break into the LaRusso house and brutally attack the kids already there? I mean I know it’s fiction and probably doesn’t play into the All Valley Tournament, but come on. They trashed their home. Pretty sure Tory’s probation officer would be interested to know she’s still at it. Wouldn’t that be the best way to protect their daughter from the psycho?
YES I completley agree. The round faced girl nearly kills Sam and I am sure others have internal injuries. Not to mention the house is trashed, I would definitely be calling th
Under California Penal Code Section 459, every individual from Cobra Kai who entered the LaRussa family home could have been charged, at a minimum, with home invasion in the first degree, a felony crime punishable by imprisonment up to 20 years and fines up to $5,000.
I can’t wait tell the season 4 comes out I hope soon this is the best tv show I have watch I watch all season 3 in 2 days I love it
As I was watching the finale I thought, some of these kids should be brought up on attempted murder charges. The moon faced girl attackingt Sam, especially. If Daniel doesn’t press charges, this is completely unrealistic.